2016 VP's - Wed 12 September

forest26 · Post by **forest26** » 13:33 Mon 30 Jul 2018

2016 Declaration

A couple of months ago we thought it would be a good idea that, as a Forum, we tasted vintages on release. I contacted some of the shippers to get some samples and had a very welcome response.

Most of the samples have been kindly donated by the shippers/importers

Scores:

WIne of the Night: Vesuvio Capella (21 points)
Runner Up: Taylors (12 Points)

GST (11)
W (5.5)
D (4.5)
Sk (3)
S (2)
N (2)
NiB (2)
G (2)
O 1
Ms 1

Not scored but Honorable mentions
Ck
SW
V
F
Cr
MsC
Vr

Confirmed Bottles

Noval (75cl)
Cockburn (2 x 37.5)
Taylor's (75cl)
Fonseca (75cl)
Croft (75cl)
Skeffington (75cl)
Niepoort Bioma (Half)
Valriz (1 x 75)
Graham (2x37.5)
Dow (2x37.5)
Warre (2x37.5)
SWH (2x37.5)
Roriz (2x37.5)
GST (2x37.5)
Vesuvio (2x37.5)
Vesuvo Capella (2x37.5)
SAndeman
Offley
Messias
Quinta do Cachao

Attendees
TC
IDJ
WS1 - no longer attending
Christopher (1)
CHRISTOPHER (2)
SCD
MPM
DRL
CPR
JDAW
Tom
DIA
AHB

Post by **flash_uk** » 14:37 Mon 30 Jul 2018

works for me. Thx Tony.

idj123 · Post by **idj123** » 16:34 Mon 30 Jul 2018

Good work Tony-count me in!

Doggett · Post by **Doggett** » 17:22 Mon 30 Jul 2018

Sounds wonderful, please count me in.

DaveRL · Post by **DaveRL** » 18:44 Mon 30 Jul 2018

Works for me, yes please, thanks.

Post by **jdaw1** » 08:38 Tue 31 Jul 2018

Yes please.

WS1 · Post by **WS1** » 16:00 Tue 31 Jul 2018

#metoo

CPR 1 · Post by **CPR 1** » 19:20 Tue 31 Jul 2018

Fabulous, yes please; thank you

uncle tom · Post by **uncle tom** » 19:34 Thu 02 Aug 2018

Splendid - count me in - have the Niepoort Bioma already..

Christopher · Post by **Christopher** » 19:48 Thu 02 Aug 2018

Yes please, can I have two places please!
Thanks

forest26 · Post by **forest26** » 09:40 Fri 03 Aug 2018

uncle tom wrote: ↑19:34 Thu 02 Aug 2018 Splendid - count me in - have the Niepoort Bioma already..

I only have one half bottle of this for the tasting - are you able to put yours in also to make a sensible quantity?

uncle tom · Post by **uncle tom** » 10:24 Fri 03 Aug 2018

I only have one half bottle of this for the tasting - are you able to put yours in also to make a sensible quantity?

Mine is a full bottle..

forest26 · Post by **forest26** » 19:22 Sat 11 Aug 2018

Generally a good response from the shippers so far. Sadly no nacional!

Constandia · Post by **Constandia** » 15:45 Tue 14 Aug 2018

Hi Tony,
Can you please count me in for this?
Many thanks,
Dia

forest26 · Post by **forest26** » 15:45 Tue 14 Aug 2018

Updated first post.

forest26 · Post by **forest26** » 08:03 Thu 16 Aug 2018

Just had a delivery from Fells with the SFE estate wines - rather kindly included Capella and GST. For an last-minute ad-hoc arrangement this has been remarkably well supported by the shippers/importers.

Hopefully Sogevinous cask samples are other way which would make about 20 bottles.

Given the quantity does anyone have any idea how we might arrange this?

Post by **flash_uk** » 10:47 Thu 16 Aug 2018

The largest tasting in recent times was the Vesuvio vertical where we had 22 if I recall correctly. Given how young these are, I could see a possibility where we could have more like 16 or 18 attendees, spread across red and green rooms, and make each pour more like 35-40ml. Of course we might not find those extra people, in which case I'd still make a smaller pour.

For me personally, I have now figured out I can taste 16 ports OK in one sitting, everything above that becomes a struggle. Maybe we could start at 5.30, and plan in a 45 min break around 8pm, and have a flight of 12 then a flight of 8. We can then come back to the table with some renewed energy at 8.45 for the final smaller flight?

uncle tom · Post by **uncle tom** » 14:37 Thu 16 Aug 2018

The official blind tasting of the 2011 vintage in Porto had over 50 wines. Some thought it was too heavy a session, but I managed to keep my palate clear by drinking copious amounts of water, and by keeping reference glasses back from each flight was able to stop my opinion of the wines from drifting.

Would suggest three flights for this one, and allowing for some glasses to be retained, allow perhaps ten or twelve glasses per participant.

Post by **Alex Bridgeman** » 16:00 Thu 16 Aug 2018

I suggest organising it as a self-pour walk around tasting. Put all the bottles on some tables at one end of the Red Room and people just help themselves to what they want, sitting down and taking notes as they wish.

uncle tom · Post by **uncle tom** » 08:24 Fri 17 Aug 2018

I suggest organising it as a self-pour walk around tasting. Put all the bottles on some tables at one end of the Red Room and people just help themselves to what they want, sitting down and taking notes as they wish.

That would work..

Post by **flash_uk** » 11:45 Fri 17 Aug 2018

uncle tom wrote: ↑08:24 Fri 17 Aug 2018
I suggest organising it as a self-pour walk around tasting. Put all the bottles on some tables at one end of the Red Room and people just help themselves to what they want, sitting down and taking notes as they wish.
That would work..

Yes like that idea. Everyone can pace themselves accordingly.

forest26 · Post by **forest26** » 12:39 Fri 17 Aug 2018

flash_uk wrote: ↑11:45 Fri 17 Aug 2018
uncle tom wrote: ↑08:24 Fri 17 Aug 2018
I suggest organising it as a self-pour walk around tasting. Put all the bottles on some tables at one end of the Red Room and people just help themselves to what they want, sitting down and taking notes as they wish.
That would work..
Yes like that idea. Everyone can pace themselves accordingly.

Agreed - It makes organisation so much easier.

Post by **jdaw1** » 00:13 Sat 18 Aug 2018

AHB wrote: ↑16:00 Thu 16 Aug 2018I suggest organising it as a self-pour walk around tasting. Put all the bottles on some tables at one end of the Red Room and people just help themselves to what they want, sitting down and taking notes as they wish.

Agreed. I’ll prepare sticky labels rather than the usual circles (when there’s a list of shippers).

forest26 · Post by **forest26** » 20:03 Sun 19 Aug 2018

jdaw1 wrote: ↑00:13 Sat 18 Aug 2018
AHB wrote: ↑16:00 Thu 16 Aug 2018I suggest organising it as a self-pour walk around tasting. Put all the bottles on some tables at one end of the Red Room and people just help themselves to what they want, sitting down and taking notes as they wish.
Agreed. I’ll prepare sticky labels rather than the usual circles (when there’s a list of shippers).

YEs Please

forest26 · Post by **forest26** » 18:42 Sun 02 Sep 2018

Lady and gentlemen
Can I have your menu choices (please).

Post by **Alex Bridgeman** » 16:50 Mon 03 Sep 2018

If I'm able to attend (still not certain) should I bring a bottle of something a little more mature with which we can rinse our palates after the hard work of the young ports?

Post by **DRT** » 17:10 Mon 03 Sep 2018

Can I grab one of the remaining places, please?

Starter: Starter portion of Scallops, prawns and bacon with Chilli — no need to include the salad
Main: Medium-rare Rib-eye steak with skinny fries
Dessert: None

Constandia · Post by **Constandia** » 10:16 Tue 04 Sep 2018

AHB wrote: ↑16:50 Mon 03 Sep 2018 If I'm able to attend (still not certain) should I bring a bottle of something a little more mature with which we can rinse our palates after the hard work of the young ports?

Yes.. but I feel that it should be after we have voted.

Doggett · Post by **Doggett** » 11:20 Tue 04 Sep 2018

No food order from me for this event please. Very much looking forward to enjoying a first taste of my songs vintage year. Thanks Tony.

Constandia · Post by **Constandia** » 16:03 Tue 04 Sep 2018

I shall help prepare the food order. For those that have not added one on the food thread I will e-mail you tonight.

forest26 · Post by **forest26** » 08:37 Thu 06 Sep 2018

Most of the port should be at B&F today. Dia has kindly coordinated the menu choices for us.

I am still waiting for the Sandeman and Offley - these are coming from IBD so might be tight. Also have Cachao and Messias arriving on Monday. Not a bad line up considering it was all last minute. With a little more planning next year - this could become much more diverse. The timing of early September is particularly good for the smaller producers.

I was planning to get to B&f around 3pm and then open them. They should not need decanting at this early age so it will be a self pour. If everything turns up then we have around 18 bottles. How many glasses per person (suggest 6-8 )?

uncle tom · Post by **uncle tom** » 09:33 Thu 06 Sep 2018

I will bring the Niepoort on the day

Post by **Alex Bridgeman** » 05:38 Mon 10 Sep 2018

I can confirm that I will be able to attend.

If the food order has been submitted, I’ll order on the night. If it’s not been submitted, please could I have my standard order.

I will also bring something a little more mature than 2016 to drink with / after dinner.

Post by **DRT** » 13:26 Mon 10 Sep 2018

Sorry chaps, I will now not be in London on Wednesday evening so will be unable to join you.

Can someone please cancel my food order or let Alex eat it?

WS1 · Post by **WS1** » 13:42 Mon 10 Sep 2018

Hi,

sadly I have to drop out of this tasting due to work commitments. After my holiday something came up I have to look into....

Sorry for that.

regards

WS1

idj123 · Post by **idj123** » 17:15 Mon 10 Sep 2018

As I had the best steak I have had from the B&F last time, could I repeat that order:

Truffle Mac and cheese
Steak (medium rare) and skinny fries with a side order of green beans
Dessert tbd on the night

Thanks

Post by **jdaw1** » 18:55 Mon 10 Sep 2018

Is the list of confirmed bottles correct? I’m about to make the sticky labels.

Current version at www.jdawiseman.com/2018/20180912_2016s.pdf. Please peruse and comment, perhaps after answering this question.

forest26 · Post by **forest26** » 15:29 Tue 11 Sep 2018

I have been travelling for the last couple of days so missed the last post.
Messias arrived today.

Post by **flash_uk** » 18:15 Tue 11 Sep 2018

Julian, the version I am looking at is missing Offley, Sandeman, Messias and Cachao.

Post by **jdaw1** » 19:44 Tue 11 Sep 2018

flash_uk wrote: ↑18:15 Tue 11 Sep 2018is missing Offley, Sandeman, Messias and Cachao.

Weren’t in first post. Added. Please re-check.

Who to print?

Post by **flash_uk** » 21:46 Tue 11 Sep 2018

Happy to print

forest26 · Post by **forest26** » 12:12 Wed 12 Sep 2018

Hi mike
If you can print them off it would be much appreciated
I’m planning on being there before 5.

Post by **jdaw1** » 12:16 Wed 12 Sep 2018

Please print the stickies on the correct side. (That error has been seen before!)

Post by **flash_uk** » 13:19 Wed 12 Sep 2018

forest26 wrote: ↑12:12 Wed 12 Sep 2018 Hi mike
If you can print them off it would be much appreciated
I’m planning on being there before 5.

I'll get there between 4 and 5.

jdaw1 wrote: ↑12:16 Wed 12 Sep 2018 Please print the stickies on the correct side. (That error has been seen before!)

All done and checked

Post by **Alex Bridgeman** » 13:33 Wed 12 Sep 2018

I've just had a call from B&F asking for some help in pulling together their preparation for tonight. They can't trace a pre-order for food so I have asked them to be ready to serve the following:

AHB - no starter, rib eye (medium rare) with thin chips, side of beans & shallots
IDJ - truffle Mac and cheese, steak (medium rare) and skinny fries, side of green beans
TC -
CMAG - Cornish crab salad with ciabatta toasts; Medium-rare rib-eye steak (240g aged for 28 days), side of Green beans with shallots
CMAG +1 -
MPM - Cornish crab salad with ciabatta toasts; Rare rib-eye steak (240g aged for 28 days) with hand cut chips and a fried egg, side of green beans with shallots
DRL - Oak smoked salmon with beetroot, orange and horseradish; Rib eye steak (rare) with skinny fries, side of green beans with shallots
To be asked for gluten free please.
CPR - truffle mac and cheese; Black-and-blue rib-eye steak (240g aged for 28 days), side of green beans with shallots, or creamed spinach (season dependent, latter preferred)
JDAW - Duck liver pâté; Sirloin steak, blue, with skinny fries, side of Green beans with shallots; Perhaps Welsh Rarebit, super extra cheesy plus plus more.
THRA - Duck liver pate; Medium-rare rib-eye steak with skinny fries + Peppercorn sauce; side of Green beans with shallots
Dia - Duck liver pate; Sirloin steak (rare) with thick cut chips and creamed spinach if available. (When no spinach, green beans with shallots.)

Mike - I will be bringing you your olive oil (I don't think I've delivered it to you yet)

Post by **jdaw1** » 14:22 Wed 12 Sep 2018

Thank you.

Zhukov · Post by **Zhukov** » 18:34 Wed 12 Sep 2018

Hi! (my first post, I have been reading here for a year or two, but only just started an account).

I wish I was living in London and could participate in this event. But I do hope to enjoy reading your opinions on the 2016 vintages, as I plan to buy one or two for my son (who was born that year) so he could drink it when he becomes 30 or 40.

Post by **Alex Bridgeman** » 11:19 Thu 13 Sep 2018

Zhukov wrote: ↑18:34 Wed 12 Sep 2018 Hi! (my first post, I have been reading here for a year or two, but only just started an account).

I wish I was living in London and could participate in this event. But I do hope to enjoy reading your opinions on the 2016 vintages, as I plan to buy one or two for my son (who was born that year) so he could drink it when he becomes 30 or 40.

Welcome to the forum and I'm glad that our notes and thoughts on the 2016 vintage might be helpful.

If you do come down to London, please feel free to let us know. We're always very happy to meet people who are on The Port Forum.

forest26 · Post by **forest26** » 19:08 Thu 13 Sep 2018

Hi Alex
Do you have your scores so I can finalize the list ?

Post by **Alex Bridgeman** » 08:00 Fri 14 Sep 2018

I gave 2 points to Sandeman and 1 to each of Noval, Taylor, Offley and Dow

Honourable mentions went to Smith Woodhouse, Capela and Skeffington