Offlines ideas for 2008
- Alex Bridgeman
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Offlines ideas for 2008
Corrected following Derek's comments in the "End May Offline" thread
On Feb 2 there was a 1963 horizontal
On Jan 28 there was a 1966 horizontal
On Feb 14 there was a 1970 horizontal
On Mar 29 there is planned a 1977 horizontal
In January there was a 1985 horizontal
Therefore suggested themes carried forward for possible future use are:
1) Silver is our favourite colour
2) Singles night - SQVP
3) 1955, 1960, 1975(?), 1980, 1983
4) 1966 vs 1970 that was suggested elsewhere
4a) 1991 vs 1992 - who got it right?
5) Cockburn - I like the idea of having at least one major exploration of a shipper each year. Last year it was the F-plan, this year it could be T-Time, D-Day, the G-Men, A Beach Party (Sandeman). Under-represented shippers would be particularly interesting.
6) 1908 - As romantic an idea as it would be to have a 1908 horizontal this year, it doesn't look as though there are enough bottles in people's cellars to make it work. A mini-horizontal might work as part of another event.
7) The Unknown Shipper and his Peculiar Friends - this theme was a great success for the Christmas Offline (in my opinion, at least) and was a great excuse to open some bottles of unknown port that might otherwise sit in the cellar waiting for the right moment.
8) A Ruby Port taste off
9) A Buyer's Own Brand offline - BOB's Your Uncle
Alex
On Feb 2 there was a 1963 horizontal
On Jan 28 there was a 1966 horizontal
On Feb 14 there was a 1970 horizontal
On Mar 29 there is planned a 1977 horizontal
In January there was a 1985 horizontal
Therefore suggested themes carried forward for possible future use are:
1) Silver is our favourite colour
2) Singles night - SQVP
3) 1955, 1960, 1975(?), 1980, 1983
4) 1966 vs 1970 that was suggested elsewhere
4a) 1991 vs 1992 - who got it right?
5) Cockburn - I like the idea of having at least one major exploration of a shipper each year. Last year it was the F-plan, this year it could be T-Time, D-Day, the G-Men, A Beach Party (Sandeman). Under-represented shippers would be particularly interesting.
6) 1908 - As romantic an idea as it would be to have a 1908 horizontal this year, it doesn't look as though there are enough bottles in people's cellars to make it work. A mini-horizontal might work as part of another event.
7) The Unknown Shipper and his Peculiar Friends - this theme was a great success for the Christmas Offline (in my opinion, at least) and was a great excuse to open some bottles of unknown port that might otherwise sit in the cellar waiting for the right moment.
8) A Ruby Port taste off
9) A Buyer's Own Brand offline - BOB's Your Uncle
Alex
Last edited by Alex Bridgeman on 08:07 Mon 05 May 2008, edited 3 times in total.
Top Ports in 2023: Taylor 1896 Colheita, b. 2021. A perfect Port.
2024: Niepoort 1900 Colheita, b.1971. A near perfect Port.
2024: Niepoort 1900 Colheita, b.1971. A near perfect Port.
I have a reasonable collection of 1960's and 1975's waiting for a Horizontal from those vinatges.
I would suggest that the Unknown Shipper and his Peculiar Friends should become a constant for the Xmas Offline.
A Graham's Vertical has also been suggested and recieved some interest so perhaps we could add this to the list.
Derek
I would suggest that the Unknown Shipper and his Peculiar Friends should become a constant for the Xmas Offline.
A Graham's Vertical has also been suggested and recieved some interest so perhaps we could add this to the list.
Derek
"The first duty of Port is to be red"
Ernest H. Cockburn
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For those who rarely drink non-VP it might also be fun to have an event that incorporates the entire range of ports from one or more shippers. We would obviously have to include a hefty line-up of VP's but could also have the full range of aged tawnys, premium ruby's, LBV's etc to allow us to evaluate the entire house style. For instance:
The T-Time Offline:
Derek
The T-Time Offline:
- Taylor's Vintage Port 1963, 1966, 1970
- Taylor's Quinta do Vargellas Vintage Port 1987
- Taylor's Qunita de Terra Fieta Vintage Port 19??
- Taylor's Special Quninta Vintage Port 1950
- Taylor's 10, 20, 30 and 40 Year Old Tawny
- Taylor's LBV
- Taylor's First Estate
Derek
"The first duty of Port is to be red"
Ernest H. Cockburn
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That's a definite maybeDerek wrote:Perhaps a good one for summer in a garden not far from Manchester?
To learn from the last one, the first hour should be indoors, which would need a little organising, for the benefit of the nose, and then maybe retiring to the patio for a long session of waffle?
It would be interesting if we could get Simon and John to attend, maybe Sideways fom the Staffs area could be persuaded? Am I missing anyone Northern-ish?
Alan
On the assumption that KillerB and I are considered to have sufficient quantities of northern blood I think the only Northern-ish person you are missing from your list is AHB. This is based on his recent offer to travel farther north than the M4 corridor to attend an Offline. I assume he intends moving to the North of England to spend his retirement. Perhaps even as far as NorthhamptonConky wrote: It would be interesting if we could get Simon and John to attend, maybe Sideways fom the Staffs area could be persuaded? Am I missing anyone Northern-ish?
What do you think of the T-Time at Conky's theme?
Derek
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In principle, I am interested in drinking port any time, any place, anywhere. Whether I can actually be there will depend on other commitments that I might have on the selected date.Derek T. wrote:On the assumption that KillerB and I are considered to have sufficient quantities of northern blood I think the only Northern-ish person you are missing from your list is AHB. This is based on his recent offer to travel farther north than the M4 corridor to attend an Offline. I assume he intends moving to the North of England to spend his retirement. Perhaps even as far as NorthhamptonConky wrote: It would be interesting if we could get Simon and John to attend, maybe Sideways fom the Staffs area could be persuaded? Am I missing anyone Northern-ish?
What do you think of the T-Time at Conky's theme?
Derek
There are parts of the north that I have heard of and I have or am willing to visit. Old Trafford (home to LCCC, not MUFC) and Headingly are two examples. However, these are at most only 5 day visits. Retirement will be to somewhere more appropriately northerly, such as Padstow or Rock rather than more southerly choices such as Penzance or Falmouth.
Top Ports in 2023: Taylor 1896 Colheita, b. 2021. A perfect Port.
2024: Niepoort 1900 Colheita, b.1971. A near perfect Port.
2024: Niepoort 1900 Colheita, b.1971. A near perfect Port.
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I do this a lot with my Sake tastings; average to amazing from the same brewer/house. I think these are great ways to educate folks who are new to port, and to remind each of us why we drink the fancy stuff.Derek T. wrote:For those who rarely drink non-VP it might also be fun to have an event that incorporates the entire range of ports from one or more shippers.
Also, I'd really like to do some comparisons of LBV and VP from the same year and house. I've got a Taylor LBV94 which I'd be happy to bring (along with a VP, of course) the next time Taylor VP94 is in a NY offline. This is more about curiosity than anything else, and there's no rush (who'd want to rush a TFG VP94?)
speaking of sake, going to sakagura this thursday =)SushiNorth wrote:I do this a lot with my Sake tastings; average to amazing from the same brewer/house. I think these are great ways to educate folks who are new to port, and to remind each of us why we drink the fancy stuff.Derek T. wrote:For those who rarely drink non-VP it might also be fun to have an event that incorporates the entire range of ports from one or more shippers.
Also, I'd really like to do some comparisons of LBV and VP from the same year and house. I've got a Taylor LBV94 which I'd be happy to bring (along with a VP, of course) the next time Taylor VP94 is in a NY offline. This is more about curiosity than anything else, and there's no rush (who'd want to rush a TFG VP94?)
that would be interesting an LBV versus the vintage. I've wondered an lbv 94 bottled in 2000 would it be more similar to the vp 94 or a vp 2000
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Ah, my home away from home Btw, if you are into sake/japanese and would like suggestions (or to come along on one of my little gatherings) just let me know. Last one was this past friday and turned out great (@Uminoie)g-man wrote:speaking of sake, going to sakagura this thursday =)
or a single year 94 tawny bottled in 2000... but i thought for the most part LBVs only stay in the casks an extra year or two, but then get filtered before bottling.g-man wrote:that would be interesting an LBV versus the vintage. I've wondered an lbv 94 bottled in 2000 would it be more similar to the vp 94 or a vp 2000
Here are some more suggestions for off-lines in 2008:
- 1960 Horizontal - because I've never had a 1960 VP
- 1975 Horizontal - if we can get Stevie and Ronnie to attend as they are 1975 babies
- 1991 v 1992 - who made the right choice?
- Graham's v Fonseca parallel vertical
- Quinta do Noval Nacional Vertical
- Back to the 90's - a 4 shipper 91/92, 94 & 97 Parazontal
- Vargellas v Malvedos
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The 1975 horizontal sounds like a good plan, but if we do such a thing we'd better make it a two day event: day 1 1975, day two: the real good stuff.
The idea of Vargellas vs Malvedos makes me think that it might even be more fun to try opposing vineyards, examples:
- Cruzeiro vs. Cavadinha (or Terra Feita)
- Vargellas vs. Canais
- Vesuvio vs. Senhora da Ribeira
The idea of Vargellas vs Malvedos makes me think that it might even be more fun to try opposing vineyards, examples:
- Cruzeiro vs. Cavadinha (or Terra Feita)
- Vargellas vs. Canais
- Vesuvio vs. Senhora da Ribeira
What about Terra Feita v Noval Nacional - or is that unfairRonnieRoots wrote:Cruzeiro vs. Cavadinha (or Terra Feita)
I like the idea, Ronnie, and the 1975 as part of a larger event is a good call. Perhaps a 1975 v 1985 double horizontal?
Derek
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We shall toast Lady R
We shall toast Lady R at the forthcoming New York 1977 Horizontal.
Berry Brothers’ Own Selection versus shipper-labelled
[url=http://www.theportforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=11999#11999]Here[/url] jdaw1 wrote:It isn’t clear whether there is a real difference between “supplied by†, “shipped by†, “bottled by†, and “produced by†, or just writerly variation. Except that ≤1970 BBR might have done their own bottling.In an enclosure to an email Tom Cave of BBR wrote:Berrys' Own Selection Vintage Ports
Supplied by:
1960 Rebello Valente
1963 Taylor Fladgate
1966 Warre
1970 Warre
1975 Gould Campbell
1977 Quarles Harris
1980 Warre
1983 Warre
1985 shipped by Smith Woodhouse
1991 bottled by Smith Woodhouse
1994 produced & bottled by Smith Woodhouse
1997 produced & bottled by Warre
2000 produced by Smith Woodhouse
2003 produced by Quinta de la Rosa
THC/ 2008
Alex, unusually for him, seems to have forgotten that at the 1966 horizontal we had both Warre and Berry Brothers’ Own Selection. What other BBOSs do we own between us for Alex’s “theme to carry forward to a future tasting†? (Me: no more.)[url=http://www.theportforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=12074#12074]Here[/url] AHB wrote:Nothing else from me. Interestingly, I've been told in the past by Berry's that the wine in their bottles is exactly the same blend as made by the shipper - that you get the same port in a bottle of Berry 1983 as you do in a Warre 1983, for example. While this doesn't conflict with Tom's response, I'm not sure it's entirely consistent either.jdaw1 wrote:[url=http://www.theportforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=12002#12002]Here[/url] jdaw1 wrote:In an email to Tom Cave, jdaw1 wrote:On that bulletin board a follow-up question has been asked. Are Berrys' Selections a relabelling of the original blender's wine, or are they -- in some way -- different wines?
Again, thank you for your help with this historical digging.As yet no reply sent. Unless there’s anything else, I’ll just send thanks.Tom Cave wrote:They wouldn't be ''relabellings'' necessarily - each vintage we taste a range from different suppliers and select a wine that is most suitable to carry the Berrys' label.
Perhaps a theme to carry forward to a future tasting...
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Offline in early October
My plan, and its now full steam ahead, is to head over to the UK after the Harvest Trip. Should be early October. Just wanted to give you guys a heads up that this Yank is coming over to drink all your VP's I'd love to meet up with as many of you as possible....as the time gets closer we'll figure out the details.
Re: Offline in early October
It would probably help maximise attendance if the date were chosen soon. What dates are you in the UK?ADV wrote:as the time gets closer we'll figure out the details.
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Andy
Don't forget that there is already an offline organised in London for October 8 (see summary here), to coincide with Roy coming through the UK after the harvest tour. Assuming that fits in with your plans, you are hereby formally invited!
Once you give us your first and last dates in the UK and let us know any other plans you have, let us know and we will organise a few things for you.
Alex
Don't forget that there is already an offline organised in London for October 8 (see summary here), to coincide with Roy coming through the UK after the harvest tour. Assuming that fits in with your plans, you are hereby formally invited!
Once you give us your first and last dates in the UK and let us know any other plans you have, let us know and we will organise a few things for you.
Alex
Top Ports in 2023: Taylor 1896 Colheita, b. 2021. A perfect Port.
2024: Niepoort 1900 Colheita, b.1971. A near perfect Port.
2024: Niepoort 1900 Colheita, b.1971. A near perfect Port.