London, May 14th: 1978 Horizontal & 1985 vs. 1987

Axel P · Post by **Axel P** » 20:05 Mon 23 Nov 2009

Dear all,

there will be a tasting of 1978s:

When: May, 14th, Start: 1800 hrs
Where: London, RAF Club, 128 Picadilly

Confirmed guests:

1. Wolfgang
2. Axel
3. Tom
4. Dr. Dirk
5. Andreas
6. Ben
7. Julian
8. Chris Doty

Ports of the night:

Noval Nacional (brought by Wolfgang, by fund)
Noval (brought by Tom, Julian, do you care to adopt this? Please pm Tom)
Dow Bomfim (brought by Axel)
Ferreira (brought by Wolfgang)
Niepoort (brougth by Andreas)
Fonseca Panascal (brought by Tom)
Croft da Roeda (brought by Dirk)
Taylors Vargellas (brought by Ben)
Eira Velha (brought by Tom, Chris Doty )
Hutcheson (brought by Axel, can be adopted, otherwise by fund)
Crasto (donation by Miguel, hopefully it will arrive on time)

You will receive a pm soon with the details.

Axel

Post by **DRT** » 20:13 Mon 23 Nov 2009

Axel P wrote:Everyone to bring or to organise a Vintage Port of 1978, 1985 and 1987.

That will be 42 bottles, otherwise described as a mildly challenging line-up.

Perhaps better to have 14 x 78 and 7 each of 85 and 87?

Axel P · Post by **Axel P** » 20:16 Mon 23 Nov 2009

True statement,

at least I could manage to scare a scotsman once in my life.

Agreed. so it will be a 85 or an 87 to bring and still the three Nacionals will be supplied aditionally.

Btw I am not really sure if we can manage to get 14 from 1978.

Axel

Post by **DRT** » 20:22 Mon 23 Nov 2009

Axel P wrote:Btw I am not really sure if we can manage to get 14 from 1978.

That sounds like a challenge

Start picking from this list guys...

Barros
Quinta do Crasto
Croft Quinta da Roeda
Dalva (aka Presidential, aka C da Silva)
Delaforce Quinta da Corte
Dow Quinta do Bomfim
Feist
Ferreira
Fonseca Quinta do Cruzeiro
Fonseca Guimaraens
Fonseca Quinta do Panascal
Graham Malvedos
Hutcheson
Quinta do Infantado
Kopke
Krohn
Martinez (Harvey)
Quinta da Eira Velha (shipped by Cockburn)
Messias Quinta do CachÃ£o
Niepoort
Quinta do Noval
Quinta do Noval Nacional
Quinta do Convento de SÃ£o Pedro das Ãguias
Poças
Quinta de la Rosa
Royal Oporto
Rozès
Sandeman
Souza
Taylor Quinta de Vargellas
Warre Quinta da Cavadinha

benread · Post by **benread** » 20:49 Mon 23 Nov 2009

Axel,

Please may I reserve a seat. I can bring the Vargellas 78 and I have one 1985 that will probab,y be unique - an M. Gonzalez!

Will need to start negotiating with Mrs Read!

Ben

WS1 · Post by **WS1** » 21:14 Mon 23 Nov 2009

Hi Ben,

great that you can make it.

Hi Axel,

as a bt for the second stint I can bring a bt of the following Grahams 1985, Warre 1985, Warre Cavadinha 1987, Delaforce 1985, Delaforce Corte 1987 or a Noval 1985.

regards

WS1

Post by **jdaw1** » 21:38 Mon 23 Nov 2009

I’m in.

1978s:
- none.
1985s:
- Churchill’s;
- Dow;
- Fonseca;
- Graham’s;
- Martinez;
- Smith Woodhouse;
- Taylor (single and magnum);
- Warre (single and magnum).
1987s:
- Noval Nacional.

Axel P · Post by **Axel P** » 11:26 Tue 24 Nov 2009

Hi Ben:

you are in.

Better bring a 85, which we can directely compare to a 87 from the same house. I would like to have:

Graham
Fonseca
Taylor
Niepoort
Warre
Delaforce
and one more, but I am happy to change this if wanted

Julian:

I put you in for 85 Fonseca, since Derek is bringing the compagnion. Please contact Tom for a bottle of 78.

Axel

Post by **jdaw1** » 12:40 Tue 24 Nov 2009

Axel P wrote:Please contact Tom for a bottle of 78.

Before asking Tom to commit to anything I’ll wait to see what others will bring.

Post by **DRT** » 08:37 Sun 28 Feb 2010

Is this event still on? It has been under the radar for some time and another tasting has now been arranged very close to this one. Those who require Wifely Passes need to get their double application in quickly

Axel P · Post by **Axel P** » 09:37 Sun 28 Feb 2010

Since there is no argument against it, why shouldnt? Do you see any action required now?

Axel

Post by **DRT** » 09:41 Sun 28 Feb 2010

Axel P wrote:Since there is no argument against it, why shouldnt? Do you see any action required now?

Axel

I don't think there is any reason to cancel or move it, I had just forgotten about it because there has been no conversation here since November.

Perhaps it would be good to confirm what the current plan is in terms of who is signed-up and which bottles we have and which we need to find?

Derek

Chris Doty · Post by **Chris Doty** » 10:01 Sun 28 Feb 2010

Hi Axel,

This is the first time I'm seeing this -- but I'd be very interested in joining if there is still space.

Thanks

Axel P · Post by **Axel P** » 10:11 Sun 28 Feb 2010

Hi Chris,

updated. You re in! Any 78s, 85s or 87s you could contribute?

Axel

Chris Doty · Post by **Chris Doty** » 10:55 Sun 28 Feb 2010

Thanks Axel!

I have Dow, Fonseca, and Graham from 1985. Nothing that I am aware of from 78, and only some 87 halfs of Niepoort. But I am happy to source whatever makes sense.

Chris Doty · Post by **Chris Doty** » 11:03 Sun 28 Feb 2010

How about the Noval 78? I don't think that has been spoken for -- and of the 85s I have, I don't think anyone so far is bringing Grahams.

How would those two serve?

Axel P · Post by **Axel P** » 12:21 Sun 28 Feb 2010

I will get a list in line soon and will let you know what to bring. My initial plan was to include the ones we have from all three years (78, 85, 87) for sure.

Axel

Axel P · Post by **Axel P** » 14:42 Wed 10 Mar 2010

Thanks Derek for bringing it up. So the tasting is still on and I updated the list.

Axel

Deleted_User_1 · Post by **Deleted_User_1** » 15:28 Wed 10 Mar 2010

Hi Axel..Would it be possible to take up the last place...Thanks...Cookie

Axel P · Post by **Axel P** » 15:46 Wed 10 Mar 2010

Certainly, got you in. I know it is hard, but: Can you contribute anything?

Axel

Deleted_User_1 · Post by **Deleted_User_1** » 17:33 Wed 10 Mar 2010

Hi Axel...Great news...thanks.

Slightly confused as to who is bringing what so will contribute whatever is required if that is OK.

Also could you book me a room at the RAF Club as I am fed up of missing the last train...as I did again last night!!

Thanks

Ray

Chris Doty · Post by **Chris Doty** » 17:35 Wed 10 Mar 2010

Sorry Axel, I seem to have '94d my remaining 87s niepoorts, and only seem to have one left.

One the bright side, I do have an 85 grahams, if that'd be of use.

Axel P · Post by **Axel P** » 20:45 Wed 10 Mar 2010

Chris Doty wrote:One the bright side, I do have an 85 grahams, if that'd be of use.

Outstanding, Chris, you are in with this.

Cookie wrote:Slightly confused as to who is bringing what so will contribute whatever is required if that is OK.

Cookie, please check first entry. There you will see who is bringing what. Sorry for the confusion.

Axel

Deleted_User_1 · Post by **Deleted_User_1** » 14:51 Thu 11 Mar 2010

Axel P wrote:
Chris Doty wrote:One the bright side, I do have an 85 grahams, if that'd be of use.
Outstanding, Chris, you are in with this.

Cookie wrote:Slightly confused as to who is bringing what so will contribute whatever is required if that is OK.
Cookie, please check first entry. There you will see who is bringing what. Sorry for the confusion.

Axel

Sorry Axel...clearly a case of RTFQ...I will adopt the Eira Velha 1978 from Tom if that is OK.

Post by **Alex Bridgeman** » 20:33 Tue 30 Mar 2010

Axel,

Apologies for any inconvenience caused, but I'm not going to be able to make this offline on May 14th. I'll give my place up to someone else who is able to attend.

Post by **jdaw1** » 21:58 Tue 30 Mar 2010

Placemats: Axel, who is your +1? Who is the Sogrape VIP? Who made the Eira Velha? Will there be a Dow Bomfim 1987? I know not the shipper ‟tbd”: more clues please.

Current plan is that each flight of twelve glasses will be on two A4 pages, holding (wait for it) six each (applaud now!). Objections? Are there any of the placemats in the list of examples that you like enough to want to use as a template?

Axel P · Post by **Axel P** » 15:26 Wed 31 Mar 2010

Julian, thanks for the initiative. I am only online for a couple of minutes but will pass on info in a bit. VIP Sogrape is Vasco Magalhaes or alternatively the UK importer of Sogrape. Will get info soon.

Axel

Post by **jdaw1** » 16:45 Wed 31 Mar 2010

[url=http://www.theportforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=34357#p34357]Here[/url] SCP-DFF wrote:OK! OK! Husband can go. AND he can go to the tasting on the 14th May. I have no idea which one that is. I just know he wants to go to a tasting on the 14th and the 19th. (I'm so good to my hubby.)

Have fun boys!

SCP-DFF

Post by **DRT** » 10:06 Tue 06 Apr 2010

Apologies to everyone but I will be unable to attend as I now need to be in Edinburgh on 14th May.

My bottle of FG87 will be donated to the line-up and will be given to another attendee between now and the date of the tasting.

Derek

Axel P · Post by **Axel P** » 12:32 Sat 10 Apr 2010

Currently updated

Deleted_User_1 · Post by **Deleted_User_1** » 20:28 Sun 11 Apr 2010

It appears my name has slipped from the list but my contribution remains...would you like me to post it or bring it?

Axel P · Post by **Axel P** » 21:06 Mon 19 Apr 2010

Recently updated.

Axel

Post by **jdaw1** » 21:56 Wed 21 Apr 2010

Axel P wrote:Second flight: 1985 vs. 1987
1. Noval Nacional by Fund (1987 brought by Julian, 1985 by Axel)
2. Fonseca (both brought by Julian)
3. Warre (1985 by Dirk (?), 1987 by Wolfgang)
4. Niepoort (1985 by Axel, 1987 by Chris, half only)
5. Graham, Dow, Taylor (Tom, Ben)
6. Delaforce (Cookie and Chris Doty to adopt from Wolfgang)

Item 5 is slightly puzzling, being of a different type to the others. For placemats’ sake please clarify.

Post by **jdaw1** » 22:13 Wed 21 Apr 2010

Nine people: decanter labels, or pre-pour sheets?

My recommendation: both. A decent sample should be pre-poured. For many people that will be drinking enough, and spare. For the others, top-ups become possible.

And I do have F85, but not F87. Who is bringing the F87?

Post by **jdaw1** » 08:38 Thu 22 Apr 2010

First draft of placemats, with some gaps (G|D|T? Happy with assumption of pre-pouring?), and need for ordinary checking.

Axel P · Post by **Axel P** » 19:24 Thu 22 Apr 2010

jdaw1 wrote:And I do have F85, but not F87. Who is bringing the F87?

Derek told me that he was supplying it to you.

thanks for your effort. I will check the placemats soon.

Axel

Post by **jdaw1** » 19:38 Thu 22 Apr 2010

Email says that we are without Ray. So that’s twenty-two bottles for eight people. For eight people not including Derek.

Hence there is likely to be much wastage. Possible remedies include: cancel or postpone the 1978 session; cancel or postpone the 1985 versus 1987 session; cancel or postpone both.

Nonetheless, updated draft of placemats, with the same gaps. (The making of this draft revealed two separate bugs in the software fixed and a need for an enhancement of functionality not yet done.)

Axel P · Post by **Axel P** » 11:18 Fri 23 Apr 2010

Due to the many disabilities to attend I would suggest to skip the second part and head on to a solely 78 tasting, which will reduce the costs as well. If you wish you can bring an additional bottle that you would like to share. I will do so since I got a hand on a bottle of the Casa do Douro Colheitas of 1963 which were discussed at the forum (viewtopic.php?f=1&t=3603).

Please post if these proceedings do suit you. We will not seperate the tasting but will taste all bottles after dinner which will start at 7 pm.

Axel

Post by **jdaw1** » 11:30 Fri 23 Apr 2010

So now you want a ’78 tasting, and a bring-a-bottle tasting. That makes 10+8 = 18 bottles between 8 people. In one session. Are you sure?

Axel P · Post by **Axel P** » 11:34 Fri 23 Apr 2010

The idea was that everyone who wants to bring an additional bottle, can do so. The other plan would be to stick solely to 78s. What would you prefer, Julian? Are you really concerned about too much port? I never thought Id hear you say that.

Axel

Post by **jdaw1** » 11:43 Fri 23 Apr 2010

We’re all good people, wishing to play by the rules. If there is a bring-a-bottle tasting, who would want to be seen to drink and not provide? So everybody will bring.

If that is what you want to happen, then so be it. If not, then do not take half a step there because it will carry you the whole distance.

My advice is that ten to twelve 1978s will be plenty for eight people.

Chris Doty · Post by **Chris Doty** » 12:28 Fri 23 Apr 2010

A '78 horizontal sounds good to me, but I'll likely need to source a bottle.

WS1 · Post by **WS1** » 13:41 Fri 23 Apr 2010

Axel,

Julian is right, we should not openly cause confusion. If we were to leave it as you said all would turn up with another bt. Therefore we stick only to the 1978 Port tasting. I have contacted two people I know and I hope we can boost the attendance again. With regards to the Colheita let us find another occasion.

regards

WS1

Axel P · Post by **Axel P** » 13:50 Fri 23 Apr 2010

Ok, ok, lets keep it to the 78s then. You will receive a pm soon with the details. Chris, please ask Tom if you can adopt one from him.

Axel

Post by **jdaw1** » 14:18 Fri 23 Apr 2010

Axel P wrote:You will receive a pm soon with the details.

Please post in thread.

Updated draft of placemats.

Axel P · Post by **Axel P** » 18:17 Tue 27 Apr 2010

So it will be a tasting of the 78s only. Everybody who was scared can now sign in again.

The following ports will be tasted:

Noval Nacional (brought by Wolfgang)
Noval (brought by Tom, Julian, do you care to adopt this?)
Dow Bomfim (brought by Axel)
Ferreira (brought by Wolfgang)
Niepoort (brougth by Andreas)
Fonseca Guimaraens (brought by Tom)
Croft da Roeda (brought by Tom)
Taylors Vargellas (brought by Ben)
Eira Velha (brought by Tom, Chris Doty )
Hutcheson (brought by Axel, can be adopted, otherwise by fund)

Dinner will start at 7pm, all ports are to be brought to the club until 5pm or being already decanted. Julian, could you please update the placemats again. Thanks

Axel

Post by **jdaw1** » 21:05 Tue 27 Apr 2010

Axel P wrote:Julian, could you please update the placemats again. Thanks

Help me: what has changed?

Axel P · Post by **Axel P** » 07:41 Wed 28 Apr 2010

My fault. Everything is fine already. Thanks.

Axel

Axel P · Post by **Axel P** » 08:44 Wed 05 May 2010

Miguel just offered to send his Crasto 78 for the tasting. Many thanks.

Jdaw, would you please be so kind to ammend.

thanks

Axel

Post by **jdaw1** » 10:05 Wed 05 May 2010

Updated draft of placemats.

+Crasto.

Axel: please check thoroughly: ports; people; headers everything.