1980 Horizontal - Leverkusen, 2nd of March 2012

WS1 · Post by **WS1** » 11:02 Sat 01 May 2010

Dear all,

I would like to organise a 1980 horizontal. Since there was already one Wokingham in May 2008 the location for this one will be Levekusen in Germany. I think 30 years after release it is the perfect time to find out what is what and see how the vintage is like. The tasting will include:

Nacional
Dow
Warre
Grahams
Niepoort
Taylor
Fonseca
Smith Woodhouse
Quarles Harris
Sandemann
Gould Campell
Offley
Royal Oporto
Borges
Calem da Foz
Delaforce Quinta da Corte
Croft Quinta da Roeda
Ferreira
Messias Cachao
Ramos Pinto

Despite it is far away I thought it is a good idea to find out interest and in order to have enough time to eventally be able to complete the line up

confirmed interests (will become attendees if they do not pull out before and the event goes ahead as planned):

Dirk & Nina
Joao M.
Wolfgang S.
Axel P.
Martin R.
Rob. C.
Viola C.
Ralf L.
Janek S.
Sascha S.
Christopher P.
Richard V.
Dirk B.

regards

WS1

DrDirk · Post by **DrDirk** » 20:43 Sat 01 May 2010

I will join the tasting

Axel P · Post by **Axel P** » 17:24 Sun 02 May 2010

Axel +3, please.

Axel

Post by **Alex Bridgeman** » 21:15 Mon 03 May 2010

My opportunities to travel to Germany are quite limited these days, but I'm interested as a possibility. What would be the nearest airport for Leverkusen?

WS1 · Post by **WS1** » 20:43 Tue 04 May 2010

Hi Alex,

the nearest airport is Cologne. There are various airlines who go there from various London airports. Other alternatives, a bit further away are Dusseldorf, Dortmund and Frankfurt (furthest; you would need then also to use the very fast train to Cologne ).

Hope to see you there

regards

WS1

VJR · Post by **VJR** » 20:47 Tue 04 May 2010

Wolfgang - great initiative with a vintage that deserves more attention - please put me down.
VJR

WS1 · Post by **WS1** » 20:55 Fri 07 May 2010

with pleasure, updated with interested people.

Hmmmm we are already 9 interested people if there no changes; I fear the tasting fills up quicker than I thought.

regards

WS1

KillerB · Post by **KillerB** » 08:48 Sat 08 May 2010

Port of Interest - oh go on then, put me down. No, not like a dog or even a heckler, but as I'd like to go.

WS1 · Post by **WS1** » 09:06 Sat 08 May 2010

and updated.

Deleted_User_1 · Post by **Deleted_User_1** » 06:36 Thu 13 May 2010

With that much notice how could I refuse...please include me on this one.

WS1 · Post by **WS1** » 06:04 Tue 18 Jan 2011

updated with RAYC and Cookie; the tasting seems to fill up ~ 1 year in advance; like that

Post by **jdaw1** » 10:38 Tue 18 Jan 2011

Next task: choose a date.

Post by **jdaw1** » 14:47 Tue 18 Jan 2011

Also, when you have time, please do post pictures of the labels of the Nacional, Offley, Royal Oporto, Borges, Cálem Foz, Delaforce Quinta da Corte, and Messias CachÃ£o. Thank you.

Chris Doty · Post by **Chris Doty** » 18:18 Wed 02 Feb 2011

Love the idea Wolfgang. A bit hard for me to plan that far ahead, but can we put me down for +1?

Long time no see btw -- let's try to hit up TCP sometime soon.

WS1 · Post by **WS1** » 08:13 Sat 05 Feb 2011

Hi Chris,

have included you in the List. Also updated the list of Ports to include Calem. BTW the tasting may also include a second bt of Calem da Foz. My initial bt was sourced in Portugal (bt has never left the country) , but then I found another one in Tokyo, which a good friend of mine bought for me and send it to me via the shipping way during winter.

We then can see if transport may/can make a difference.

Hi Julian,

will take pictures and put them the next time I am near to the bts; They are lying somewhere in my cellar in Germany.

regards

WS1

Post by **jdaw1** » 09:04 Sat 05 Feb 2011

WS1 wrote:Hi Julian,

will take pictures and put them the next time I am near to the bts; They are lying somewhere in my cellar in Germany.

Thank you.

WS1 · Post by **WS1** » 19:26 Tue 30 Aug 2011

Hi Julian,

I am afraid so far no news on the pictures to be taken. But I will make sure that they will be taken. The ports are already in Axel's cellar near Leverkusen. Though there is also good news; we got a date and the venue, Bayercasino Leverkusen, confirmed. The date is the 17th of February next year. The tasting is likely to start ~6:30 PM. Further details will follow later.

To all confirmed interets,

can you please let me know if you can make it on this date?

regards

WS1

Post by **jdaw1** » 09:43 Wed 31 Aug 2011

To encourage picture-tasting, I have prepared the first draft of the placemats (link broken as date change has caused a change in the filename).

The organisers need to give some thought as to the ordering of the ports.
There will be how many bottles of Cálem Quinta do Foz?
Some names are missing.
I have not included decanter labels, nor any sticky labels. If wrong, instruct.

Post by **Alex Bridgeman** » 20:58 Thu 01 Sep 2011

WS1 wrote:To all confirmed interets,

can you please let me know if you can make it on this date?

I won't know for sure if I can make it until much nearer the time as I do not (yet) have any plans to be in Bonn the week of 17th Feb. Can I request that I be made a provisional attendee and anyone who can confirm their attendance be given priority over me?

RAYC · Post by **RAYC** » 10:56 Mon 05 Sep 2011

Wolfgang - 17th February is good for me, though i will have a slight concern if i end up as the only non-German speaker!

Is there a recommended hotel?

Post by **jdaw1** » 11:18 Mon 05 Sep 2011

I was the only non-speaker of German at the Niepoort vertical, and a triumph of polite accommodation of a guest events proceeded in English. I thanked everybody at the end of the evening.

The tasting is in the Bayer Gastronomie Kasino Leverkusen. Stay there.

WS1 · Post by **WS1** » 04:59 Thu 20 Oct 2011

Hi there,

apologies for any confusion, but due to organisatorial problems (colision with the essentia do vinho) the the tasting needs to be moved probably by a week. So new provisional date the 24th of February.

regards

WS1

RAYC · Post by **RAYC** » 17:11 Thu 20 Oct 2011

Still good by me.

May be worth a PM in case people have forgotten that they signed up!

Post by **Alex Bridgeman** » 21:28 Thu 20 Oct 2011

You'd better change my status to provisional and let anyone who can confirm take priority over me.

WS1 · Post by **WS1** » 21:49 Thu 20 Oct 2011

Hi Alex,

will do. Once more sorry for the confusion/trouble caused.

regards

WS1

WS1 · Post by **WS1** » 12:04 Mon 24 Oct 2011

Hi there,

trouble/confusion is now sorted out; the date of the 2nd of March is confirmed with the Bayer Casino. Apologies for the confusion caused. Over the next 4-8 weeks can please all people who raised interest in the past get back to me and let me know if they are still interested.

regards

WS1

Post by **jdaw1** » 19:45 Mon 24 Oct 2011

Renamed draft of the placemats.

RAYC · Post by **RAYC** » 23:09 Mon 24 Oct 2011

still good by me...though getting closer to the Barcelona marathon...

Post by **jdaw1** » 22:14 Thu 03 Nov 2011

Â¿Is there any estimate of what this would cost for a drinker without suitable bottles?

Axel P · Post by **Axel P** » 15:05 Tue 08 Nov 2011

Just retasted the Niepoort 1980 as this was the only big wine of the lineup from 1927 to 2009, which was not showing well (despite 85 and 97). Fantastic port, now beginning to show what it really can do. Looking much forward to these.

Axel

WS1 · Post by **WS1** » 18:36 Tue 15 Nov 2011

jdaw1 wrote:Â¿Is there any estimate of what this would cost for a drinker without suitable bottles?

Apologies for the delay in my response; yes there is; the cost is expected to be ~150€ or (~ 130£s) including dinner.

regards

WS1

Post by **jdaw1** » 21:45 Sun 27 Nov 2011

Updated draft of the placemats.

In German, courtesy of Rita L. (who might join a Leverkusen Colheita tasting).

Axel P · Post by **Axel P** » 08:09 Fri 09 Dec 2011

Wolfgang,

my +3 would be:

Vio
Martin
Joao Machete

How about Dirk N?

Julian, will Rita join this tasting or is there a Colheita tasting that we are not aware of?

Axel

WS1 · Post by **WS1** » 09:07 Tue 17 Jan 2012

Hi,

after initial planning and review of cost I am afraid to announce that the cost for the tasting will be 185€ or 150£s. This includes dinner, room fee, water, glasses. Can please everbody on the current attendee list let me know if they are still on for this tasting?
Would like to finalise over the next week the planning for this tasting.

Please let me know

regards

WS1

Post by **jdaw1** » 23:07 Wed 18 Jan 2012

The current draft of the placemats has several attendees named as somebody’s ‟+n”. As and when there is better information, please post same.

RAYC · Post by **RAYC** » 15:18 Wed 29 Feb 2012

Bump

Are placemats finalised?

Am i needed to print?

Post by **jdaw1** » 23:20 Wed 29 Feb 2012

I await instructions. There are lacunae, about which I have requested guidance, but none have been forthcoming.

The .ps file is available by changing an extension from .pdf to .ps.

Axel P · Post by **Axel P** » 09:18 Thu 01 Mar 2012

Sorry Jdaw, wines are unchanged. Persons are:

Dirk & Nina
Joao M.
Wolfgang S.
Axel P.
Martin R.
Rob. C.
Viola C.
Ralf L.
Janek S.
Sascha S.
Christopher P.
Richard V.
Dirk B.

Many thanks in advance

Axel

WS1 · Post by **WS1** » 13:01 Thu 01 Mar 2012

Hi Julian,

apologies for not paying attention. On top of Axel's information (names) can you please exchange the Calem with Ramos Pinto? After checking our sources (kindly provided by Derek and you) and other sources we are still not sure if a Calem vintage port was bottled in 1980. We definitely have Calem da Foz (via Tokyo) and out of Portugal direct. Will also amend the starting thread.
Thanks in advance

regards

WS1

JacobH · Post by **JacobH** » 15:12 Thu 01 Mar 2012

WS1 wrote:we are still not sure if a Calem vintage port was bottled in 1980. We definitely have Calem da Foz (via Tokyo) and out of Portugal direct.

I’ve never been quite sure whether Cálem is / was generally a single-quinta wine? I know that secondary years seemed to mostly be under the Foz label but I did wonder if major declarations were mostly SQVP too, even if not labelled as such.

Post by **jdaw1** » 18:40 Thu 01 Mar 2012

Updated draft of the placemats.

Please check carefully, and very soon. I won’t be able to update once leave for work Friday morning. So please check before I do, and post or email requested alterations.

Post by **jdaw1** » 22:53 Thu 01 Mar 2012

Re-updated draft of the placemats.

WS1 wrote:On top of Axel's information (names) can you please exchange the Calem with Ramos Pinto? After checking our sources (kindly provided by Derek and you) and other sources we are still not sure if a Calem vintage port was bottled in 1980. We definitely have Calem da Foz (via Tokyo) and out of Portugal direct.

I think that Axel requested something different. Please check latest, consult with Axel, and get me fuller instructions (be very clear) by 06:50am London-time on Friday.

Also, do you want them in a different order? Again, clear instructions by 06:50am London-time on Friday.

WS1 · Post by **WS1** » 05:00 Fri 02 Mar 2012

Hi Julian,

thanks a lot, that will work.

regards

WS1

Post by **jdaw1** » 06:54 Fri 02 Mar 2012

It seems that things are now OK. If not, please correct within a few minutes.

Edit: too late. Print; drink; enjoy.

Post by **jdaw1** » 06:58 Fri 02 Mar 2012

jdaw1 wrote:Also, when you have time, please do post pictures of the labels of the Nacional, Offley, Royal Oporto, Borges, Cálem Foz, Delaforce Quinta da Corte, and Messias CachÃ£o. Thank you.

Please.

Post by **jdaw1** » 08:38 Fri 02 Mar 2012

BTW, I can’t see my home email from work (all relevant contact details).

Post by **Alex Bridgeman** » 12:27 Fri 02 Mar 2012

jdaw1 wrote:
jdaw1 wrote:Also, when you have time, please do post pictures of the labels of the Nacional, Offley, Royal Oporto, Borges, Cálem Foz, Delaforce Quinta da Corte, and Messias CachÃ£o. Thank you.
Please.

Perhaps Rob could be made responsible for returning with appropriate photos?

Post by **jdaw1** » 16:03 Fri 02 Mar 2012

One has already been sent to my work email thank you. More are apparently en route.

Post by **jdaw1** » 21:43 Fri 02 Mar 2012

I have started a thread to hold the Review of evening as a whole, which in turn links to tasting-note threads. Doubtless other TN threads might be needed, and perhaps deletions. Please PM me what needs doing. When the list seems to be final, I’ll post links to all in all the threads, as usual.