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Sandeman vertical

Post by uncle tom » 09:25 Thu 25 Mar 2010

Split from Graham's Malvedos Vertical - London, 22nd Mar 2010 by jdaw1.
Renamed from ‟Sogrape: Sandeman; Ferreira; Offley” to ‟Sandeman vertical” by jdaw1 on 14 April 2010 following Axel’s post below.
Now then, what next? Anyone for "A Complete Parallel Vertical of Ferreira v Sandeman - 1815 to 2007"?
It would be good to engage more with the Sogrape houses - Sandeman, Ferreira & Offley, as they have so little activity in the UK these days, which is a pity..

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Re: Graham's Malvedos Vertical - London, 22nd Mar 2010

Post by Axel P » 12:30 Thu 25 Mar 2010

I am happy to change this since I will be sailing the regatta with George Sandeman in June. Shall we fix a date already (next year beginning of March, topic: Sandeman vertical with Georg Sandeman).

Tom, do you want to do it or shall I start the topic?

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Re: Graham's Malvedos Vertical - London, 22nd Mar 2010

Post by uncle tom » 12:49 Thu 25 Mar 2010

Axel,

If you want to start a thread for a Sandeman vertical in London sometime next year, that's good by me. Having George along would be highly desirable, so bounce the idea off him, and find some dates that would suit him.

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Re: Graham's Malvedos Vertical - London, 22nd Mar 2010

Post by jdaw1 » 13:32 Thu 25 Mar 2010

Veering off topic: great idea. Please do take charge, and start a new thread mentioning that I’m in.

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Re: Graham's Malvedos Vertical - London, 22nd Mar 2010

Post by JacobH » 14:05 Thu 25 Mar 2010

uncle tom wrote:
Now then, what next? Anyone for "A Complete Parallel Vertical of Ferreira v Sandeman - 1815 to 2007"?
It would be good to engage more with the Sogrape houses - Sandeman, Ferreira & Offley, as they have so little activity in the UK these days, which is a pity..
I would be keen for a Sandeman tasting, too (with the usual caveats that it is conducted in appropriate fancy dress and all wines are served out of those Wedgewood decanters...).

Perhaps someone with the suitable powers might crop this thread, starting with Tom's post, and move it to the relevant forum?
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Re: Sogrape: Sandeman; Ferreira; Offley

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Re: Sogrape: Sandeman; Ferreira; Offley

Post by jdaw1 » 20:12 Thu 25 Mar 2010

Sandeman have traditionally been frequent declarers. Perhaps as many as thirty-four declarations since the war, though it might be that not all were released: 1945, 1946, 1947, 1948(?), 1950, 1953, 1954, 1955, 1957, 1958, 1959(?), 1960, 1962, 1963, 1965(?), 1966, 1967, 1968(?), 1970, 1972(?), 1974(?), 1975, 1977, 1978(?), 1980, 1982, 1985, 1988(?), 1994, 1997, 1999(?), 2000, 2003 and 2007. There are another twenty-ish declarations from 1900 until 1944, and twenty-one from 1858 until the end of the nineteenth century.

ThePortForum tasting notes of Sandeman: 1884; 1945 (1 2); 1955; 1958; 1960 (1 2 3); 1963 (1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8); 1966 (1 2 3); 1967; 1970 (1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9); 1977 (1 2 3); 1982; 1985; 1994; 1997; 2003; 2007.

I have, and can make available, 1960, 1970, and 1977. Include me in, and, possibly, a +1.

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Re: Sogrape: Sandeman; Ferreira; Offley

Post by WS1 » 21:13 Thu 25 Mar 2010

Brilliant idea, if still possible I would like to attend. Sandemann I have are 1966, 1967, 1970 and 1980

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Re: Sogrape: Sandeman; Ferreira; Offley

Post by DRT » 22:02 Thu 25 Mar 2010

I'm in.

But my suggestion of a complete parallel vertical spanning almost two hundred years may have been slightly over-ambitious as Sandeman 1965 seems to be very hard to find. :roll:
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Re: Sogrape: Sandeman; Ferreira; Offley

Post by jdaw1 » 22:31 Thu 25 Mar 2010

DRT wrote:But my suggestion of a complete parallel vertical spanning almost two hundred years may have been slightly over-ambitious as Sandeman 1965 seems to be very hard to find. :roll:
Not so ambitious if restricted to years in which there were declarations by all three of Sandeman, Ferreira and Offley.

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Re: Sogrape: Sandeman; Ferreira; Offley

Post by DRT » 22:57 Thu 25 Mar 2010

jdaw1 wrote:
DRT wrote:But my suggestion of a complete parallel vertical spanning almost two hundred years may have been slightly over-ambitious as Sandeman 1965 seems to be very hard to find. :roll:
Not so ambitious if restricted to years in which there were declarations by all three of Sandeman, Ferreira and Offley.
This compromise may have to do. Please post a list of target acquisitions.
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Post by jdaw1 » 23:25 Thu 25 Mar 2010

DRT wrote:This compromise may have to do. Please post a list of target acquisitions.
A subset of 1858, 1863, 1868, 1875, 1878, 1894, 1896, 1897, 1900, 1904, 1908, 1912, 1920, 1927, 1931, 1934, 1935, 1945, 1947, 1950, 1954, 1955, 1958, 1960, 1963, 1966, 1970, 1975, 1977, 1980, 1982, 1985, 1994, 1997, 1999, 2000, 2003, 2007. Not all of these were certainly released, so we might have to settle for a strict subset.

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Post by DRT » 23:40 Thu 25 Mar 2010

38 x 3 seems to be on the verge of over-indulgence. Perhaps we should drop the 3 x 1975?
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Post by jdaw1 » 23:51 Thu 25 Mar 2010

DRT wrote:Perhaps we should drop the 3 x 1975?
Thank you.

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Re: Sogrape: Sandeman; Ferreira; Offley

Post by DRT » 00:04 Fri 26 Mar 2010

jdaw1 wrote:
DRT wrote:Perhaps we should drop the 3 x 1975?
Thank you.
Excellent. A reasonable compromise has been reached and we are still on page 1 of the organisation thread. No doubt AHB (aka "The Completist") will try to add the 1975s back in during the final stretch :roll:
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Re: Sogrape: Sandeman; Ferreira; Offley

Post by jdaw1 » 00:34 Fri 26 Mar 2010

DRT wrote:
jdaw1 wrote:
DRT wrote:Perhaps we should drop the 3 x 1975?
Thank you.
Excellent. A reasonable compromise has been reached and we are still on page 1 of the organisation thread. No doubt AHB (aka "The Completist") will try to add the 1975s back in during the final stretch :roll:
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DRT wrote:This compromise may have to do. Please post a list of target acquisitions.
A subset of 1858, 1863, 1868, 1875, 1878, 1894, 1896, 1897, 1900, 1904, 1908, 1912, 1920, 1927, 1931, 1934, 1935, 1945, 1947, 1950, 1954, 1955, 1958, 1960, 1963, 1966, 1970, 1975, 1977, 1980, 1982, 1985, 1994, 1997, 1999, 2000, 2003, 2007. Not all of these were certainly released, so we might have to settle for a strict subset.
Well, it is possible that we won’t get all of Ferreira, OBV and Sandeman in all of ’58, ’94 and ’31 (the other years being, of course, inevitable). In which case that thirst-avoidance ruse might have to be tolerated.

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Re: Sogrape: Sandeman; Ferreira; Offley

Post by jdaw1 » 00:42 Fri 26 Mar 2010

Change of mind: let’s have all non-1975 years of all three, and accept in good grace that not all years present will be present in all three shippers. Much easier.

Perhaps we should split the tasting over more than one session? Perhaps.

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Post by DRT » 01:12 Fri 26 Mar 2010

jdaw1 wrote:Perhaps we should split the tasting over more than one session? Perhaps.
For clarification: does a "session" = 2-3 hours; an evening; a day, or; a weekend?
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Post by JacobH » 11:00 Fri 26 Mar 2010

jdaw1 wrote:I have, and can make available, 1960, 1970, and 1977. Include me in, and, possibly, a +1.
Me, too, please. I can offer a '63.
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Post by Deleted_User_1 » 12:55 Fri 26 Mar 2010

Would you be kind enough to include me on this one please. I imagine I will either adopt or source whatever is required nearer the time. :)

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Sandeman Vertical

Post by Axel P » 09:30 Tue 13 Apr 2010

Acutally Tom had the initial idea, but he was happy with me trying to promote it a bit further:

Topic: Sandeman Vertical (as complete as it gets)
When: 2011, 2nd half of March
Where: London, RAF Club, 128 Picadilly

1. Sandeman VIP
2. Tom
3. Axel
4. WS1
5. Derek
7. Ben
8. Julian
9. Alex K.
10. Alex B.
11. Chris Gee
12. Richard
13. Victor
14. Jacob

Waiting list:
1. Cookie

More along.

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Re: Sandeman vertical

Post by VJR » 11:49 Mon 02 Aug 2010

Axel,
Look forward to this tasting. When the exact date firms up, please let me know.
Best, Victor

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