Second wind for 1963s? Tuesday 10 April 2018

Post by **jdaw1** » 17:44 Sat 17 Feb 2018

When: 6¼pm Tuesday 10^th April 2018.

Theme: 1963s, sighted, no duplicates, no awful shippers.

Venue: The Red Room in The Boot & Flogger, 10-20 Redcross Way, London SE1 1TA.

Attendees:

JDAW (Taylor);
AHB (Mackenzie, alternatives being Dow, Martinez, Sandeman, or if necessary something else out of storage);
RLC (Sandeman);
KMH (to adopt);
CPR (Graham or Warre);
MPM (Croft);
THRA (Noval; allowing adoption of Borges, Constantino, Dow, Feuerheerd, Fonseca, Graham, Warre);
WPS (Cockburn);
DRL (to adopt);
PW (Fonseca);
IDJ (OBV + Cálem Foz);
AP (Ramos Pinto);
WG (assuming Niepoort);
DRT (Croft).

Non-attendees, deemed to be on a wait list:

TC (Dow, Warre, something else).

Ports:

Cálem Foz (IDJ);
Cockburn (WPS);
Constantino (from THRA);
Croft (MPM);
Dow (from AHB or THRA?);
Fonseca (PW);
Graham (CPR?);
Mackenzie (AHB);
Niepoort (AP);
Noval (THRA);
Offley Boa Vista (IDJ);
Sandeman (RLC);
Taylor (JDAW);
Warre (from CPR?).

Food order.

Draft of the placemats.

Post by **jdaw1** » 17:44 Sat 17 Feb 2018

jdaw1 wrote: ↑12:45 Sat 17 Feb 2018Are the 1963s coming into their second wind?

Tuesday 3^rd April (being the day after Easter Monday)? Tuesday 10^th April?

Theme: 1963s, sighted, no duplicates, no awful shippers — recalling the excellent tasting on 2 Nov 2017:

CPR 1 wrote: ↑10:51 Wed 27 Sep 2017Suggested theme - a bottle of 1970VP sighted, no duplicates, No Hutcheson!

Any interest?

(A invitation was sent to London tasters.)

forest26 · Post by **forest26** » 17:55 Sat 17 Feb 2018

Yes please - great idea.
Dow’s / warre’s or something else

Deleted_User_1 · Post by **Deleted_User_1** » 18:26 Sat 17 Feb 2018

We are not available on 3rd as still in New Zealand...10th is favourite...will need to check but likely S'63 from me...Kate will be in attendance as well...will provide details of her contribution at a later date.

CPR 1 · Post by **CPR 1** » 18:43 Sat 17 Feb 2018

Yes please, Graham or Warre for me.

Post by **flash_uk** » 18:57 Sat 17 Feb 2018

Yes please, but only the 10th works for me. Croft.

Post by **jdaw1** » 21:20 Sat 17 Feb 2018

Cookie wrote: ↑18:26 Sat 17 Feb 2018We are not available on 3rd as still in New Zealand...10th is favourite...

flash_uk wrote: ↑18:57 Sat 17 Feb 2018only the 10th works for me.

Tuesday 10^th April 2018. For which date I have just booked the Red Room.

uncle tom · Post by **uncle tom** » 04:15 Sun 18 Feb 2018

Count me in - will bring the Noval

WS1 · Post by **WS1** » 09:34 Sun 18 Feb 2018

I should be able to make that, please put me down for this tasting. I would bring a Cockburn.

regards

WS1

Axel P · Post by **Axel P** » 11:45 Sun 18 Feb 2018

Just had a Delaforce on friday. Very nice drinker, probably one of the best Delaforces.

Need to check date for a bit.

Axel

Deleted_User_1 · Post by **Deleted_User_1** » 12:03 Sun 18 Feb 2018

KMH will need to adopt please.

DaveRL · Post by **DaveRL** » 12:23 Sun 18 Feb 2018

Yes please, but I would need to adopt.

Post by **PhilW** » 13:25 Sun 18 Feb 2018

Sounds like a plan; please count me in. Will check what '63s I have, though I know it is very few.

idj123 · Post by **idj123** » 17:12 Sun 18 Feb 2018

Yes please! Does OBV count as an 'awful shipper's?

Post by **jdaw1** » 19:15 Sun 18 Feb 2018

We are thirteen: almost full.

idj123 wrote: ↑17:12 Sun 18 Feb 2018Yes please! Does OBV count as an 'awful shipper's?

Offley welcome.

Post by **Alex Bridgeman** » 20:11 Sun 18 Feb 2018

The telepathy was correct.

I can (easily) offer Dow, Mackenzie, Martinez or Sandeman. I could dig something else out of storage if necessary.

Post by **jdaw1** » 21:35 Sun 18 Feb 2018

AHB wrote: ↑20:11 Sun 18 Feb 2018I can (easily) offer Dow, Mackenzie, Martinez or Sandeman. I could dig something else out of storage if necessary.

Please, Mackenzie. Several adoptions are required. Would you be willing to allow adoption of a Martinez?

Others: please say what you’ll allow to be adopted.

Will bottles÷people at 1.0 be sufficient? Should the team adopt from those with multiples?

CPR 1 · Post by **CPR 1** » 21:39 Sun 18 Feb 2018

Happy to provide a Warre for adoption

uncle tom · Post by **uncle tom** » 02:08 Mon 19 Feb 2018

Others: please say what you’ll allow to be adopted

I have 17 shippers of '63

Possible candidates for adoption not already confirmed:

Borges
Constantino
Dow
Feuerheerd
Fonseca
Graham
Warre

- And if anyone's feeling generous, I could also supply a Nacional at moderate cost..

Post by **jdaw1** » 20:52 Mon 19 Feb 2018

uncle tom wrote: ↑02:08 Mon 19 Feb 2018Possible candidates for adoption not already confirmed:

Borges
Constantino
Dow
Feuerheerd
Fonseca
Graham
Warre

Thank you. Please can the Fonseca be adopted, after which the Constantino?

uncle tom wrote: ↑02:08 Mon 19 Feb 2018And if anyone's feeling generous, I could also supply a Nacional at moderate cost.

Thank you again. But alas ‘moderate’ by the standards of Nacional would still be beyond my budget.

Doggett · Post by **Doggett** » 21:15 Mon 19 Feb 2018

It appears that this is a tasting I would be foolish to miss. Could I please add my name, and would need to adopt please.

Post by **jdaw1** » 22:28 Mon 19 Feb 2018

Which makes fourteen. Hence this event is full. There will likely be a waitlist.

uncle tom · Post by **uncle tom** » 06:47 Tue 20 Feb 2018

Please can the Fonseca be adopted, after which the Constantino?

No problem. There is a significant value difference between the two - it might be fairer if the adoptees shared the total.

Post by **PhilW** » 07:17 Tue 20 Feb 2018

PhilW wrote: ↑13:25 Sun 18 Feb 2018 Sounds like a plan; please count me in. Will check what '63s I have, though I know it is very few.

I have and could bring a Fonseca.

idj123 · Post by **idj123** » 13:20 Tue 20 Feb 2018

So I believe that means the three adopted bottles being W (from Charles), Mz (from Alex) and Cn (from Tom). However...

jdaw1 wrote: ↑21:35 Sun 18 Feb 2018

Will bottles÷people at 1.0 be sufficient? Should the team adopt from those with multiples?

I agree that with a full complement of 14 people there's a case for adding for adding two or three additional shippers. Not 'pro 14' tier but I'd be willing to throw in Calem Foz, gratis, if it helps?

Post by **jdaw1** » 14:20 Tue 20 Feb 2018

PhilW wrote:I have and could bring a Fonseca.

Splendid, thank you.

idj123 wrote:I agree that with a full complement of 14 people there's a case for adding for adding two or three additional shippers. Not 'pro 14' tier but I'd be willing to throw in Calem Foz, gratis, if it helps?

Thank you: CáF would be very welcome.

(Small edit made to your post.)

forest26 · Post by **forest26** » 21:49 Tue 20 Feb 2018

Just noticed that I am due to be in South Africa on the 10th - curses!

Post by **jdaw1** » 23:31 Tue 20 Feb 2018

forest26 wrote:Just noticed that I am due to be in South Africa on the 10th - curses!

Curses!

Does anybody else have Dow 1963?

Post by **PhilW** » 07:01 Wed 21 Feb 2018

jdaw1 wrote: ↑23:31 Tue 20 Feb 2018Does anybody else have Dow 1963?

AHB wrote: ↑20:11 Sun 18 Feb 2018I can (easily) offer Dow, Mackenzie, Martinez or Sandeman.

Axel P · Post by **Axel P** » 08:03 Wed 21 Feb 2018

Sorry guys. I cannot make it on the given date.

Can I ask to move this to the day prior to the BFT and change the subject on this. Would bring RP then and have Niepoort to adopt.

Best

Axel

uncle tom · Post by **uncle tom** » 09:16 Wed 21 Feb 2018

Does anybody else have Dow 1963?

Yes - plenty

Post by **jdaw1** » 10:56 Wed 21 Feb 2018

Axel P wrote:Can I ask to move this to the day prior to the BFT and change the subject on this.

The day prior to the BFT would be a big ask of the man organising that event.

This is an important theme. Whatever the conclusion, retests will be necessary.

Anyway, please suggest some other dates on which the team can then opine.

Post by **Alex Bridgeman** » 20:10 Wed 21 Feb 2018

jdaw1 wrote: ↑10:56 Wed 21 Feb 2018
Axel P wrote:Can I ask to move this to the day prior to the BFT and change the subject on this.
The day prior to the BFT would be a big ask of the man organising that event.

Thank you. I will not be available for a few days before 9th May and likely also not the evening of 9th May.

Axel P · Post by **Axel P** » 07:40 Thu 22 Feb 2018

Understood, Alex.

Then you guys may leave this on 10 April. I would need another week to shift some appointments.

Best

Axel

Axel P · Post by **Axel P** » 14:42 Thu 22 Feb 2018

Managed to make it. Niepoort or RP?

Axel

Post by **jdaw1** » 15:11 Thu 22 Feb 2018

Axel P wrote:Managed to make it. Niepoort or RP?

Splendid.

Don't get know who is adopting what, so can the Ni|RP decision wait?

Doggett · Post by **Doggett** » 20:56 Thu 22 Feb 2018

Just to throw a curve ball and probably spout heresy... but I have a 1963 Cavendish I could add to the ‘63 party instead of adopting if people were interested.

Post by **PhilW** » 21:46 Thu 22 Feb 2018

It would be interesting to try the Cavendish, but I'd prioritise other ports first - particularly the NN if the organiser were to change his (clearly wrong) decision on its inclusion

If for any reason it became a choice between Ni and RP (assuming the preferred option of both being unavailable) then I would plead for the Niepoort, as I don't believe I have ever had it (though I haven't checked, and could be doing a Derek).

Post by **jdaw1** » 22:00 Thu 22 Feb 2018

Doggett wrote: ↑20:56 Thu 22 Feb 2018Just to throw a curve ball and probably spout heresy... but I have a 1963 Cavendish I could add to the ‘63 party instead of adopting if people were interested.

If you wish to donate it as a extra, well, can’t refuse. But the experiment relates to real Ports.

PhilW wrote: ↑21:46 Thu 22 Feb 2018particularly the NN if the organiser were to change his (clearly wrong) decision on its inclusion

Ian and Phil favour the NN. Who else?

Post by **DRT** » 00:39 Fri 23 Feb 2018

I am now available. I only have Croft. Does Mike have an alternative not already declared?

Post by **jdaw1** » 07:22 Fri 23 Feb 2018

jdaw1 wrote:Which makes fourteen. Hence this event is full. There will likely be a waitlist.

Ditto.

Post by **PhilW** » 08:25 Fri 23 Feb 2018

jdaw1 wrote: ↑22:00 Thu 22 Feb 2018
PhilW wrote: ↑21:46 Thu 22 Feb 2018particularly the NN if the organiser were to change his (clearly wrong) decision on its inclusion
Ian and Phil favour the NN. Who else?

Tom presumably also, at least (since he offered).

uncle tom · Post by **uncle tom** » 10:00 Fri 23 Feb 2018

Tom presumably also, at least (since he offered).

Correct

Post by **flash_uk** » 10:10 Fri 23 Feb 2018

PhilW wrote: ↑08:25 Fri 23 Feb 2018
jdaw1 wrote: ↑22:00 Thu 22 Feb 2018
PhilW wrote: ↑21:46 Thu 22 Feb 2018particularly the NN if the organiser were to change his (clearly wrong) decision on its inclusion
Ian and Phil favour the NN. Who else?
Tom presumably also, at least (since he offered).

#metoo

Doggett · Post by **Doggett** » 10:15 Fri 23 Feb 2018

I need to make the decision on whether I could partake in the NN based on finances. What would the cost be per person?

Post by **flash_uk** » 10:18 Fri 23 Feb 2018

Doggett wrote: ↑10:15 Fri 23 Feb 2018 I need to make the decision on whether I could partake in the NN based on finances. What would the cost be per person?

Probably about 100-120

CPR 1 · Post by **CPR 1** » 10:50 Fri 23 Feb 2018

jdaw1 wrote: ↑22:00 Thu 22 Feb 2018
PhilW wrote: ↑21:46 Thu 22 Feb 2018particularly the NN if the organiser were to change his (clearly wrong) decision on its inclusion
Ian and Phil favour the NN. Who else?

I would be very keen to taste the NN63 if this works for the majority

Doggett · Post by **Doggett** » 19:52 Fri 23 Feb 2018

At approx £100 I am in for the NN please as the opportunity will not present itself very often, and I can’t pass it up... but will be happy with the decision either way.

Post by **Alex Bridgeman** » 19:07 Sun 25 Feb 2018

I'm happy with the NN decision either way.

Post by **jdaw1** » 20:54 Sun 25 Feb 2018

NN summary:
• Keen: IDJ, PW, THRA, MPM, CPR.
• Will play: JDAW, SCD, AHB.
• Against: so far, none.