A 1970 horizontal, Flights 1-4, Friday 9 October 2020

[idj123]

Yes,confirmed-thanks Mike.

[flash_uk]

Arghh, I can't make this (these) date(s), due to other obligations

Sorry the dates haven’t worked Gerwin.

[Justin K]

Mike,
Confirmed and thanks for organising.

[hadge]

Dates work for me, please confirm me.

[PopulusTremula]

Sadly I won't be able to make this. Kudos to Mike for organizing!

[flash_uk]

Sadly I won't be able to make this. Kudos to Mike for organizing!

Sorry the dates didn’t work out Magnus. Hope all well with you and the family!

[DaveRL]

Confirmed, works for me. Thanks for organising.

[Doggett]

Confirmed. Thank you and well done on the navigation Mike. Would like to offer a Warre 1970 if possible.

[Alex Bridgeman]

Yes please. Confirmed.

[forest26]

Moving on to assembling the cast.
Tier 1 should be easy...

From Tier 2 I have:

- Burmester (Library release)
- BBR Own Selection (same case 2 bottles)
- Delaforce (same case 2 bottles)
- Roeda (Magnum)
- Gonzalez Byas (same case)
- Messias Cachao (same case) - I am pretty sure Messias only produced a Cachao
- Krohn (same case) .

Possibly I can get the other sogevinous wines Calem / Kopke / St Luiz /Barros?

[flash_uk]

Thanks Tony. Give me a couple of weeks to finalise who has what and I'll be in touch about sourcing others.

[Caparica]

Count me in please...will check the ones i have

[nac]

Mike

Have the following (all bottles) that probably meet requirements for the tasting(s):

Tier 1 & 2
2+ Dow (from the same case as the bottle tasted on 9 Jan)
2+ Morgan (from the Christie's clear-out sale)
2+ Cockburn (2016 release, direct from C&B)
2+ Warre Private Cellar (2016 release, direct from C&B)
2+ Noval (Churton's bottling - all purchased together & look identical, but can't absolutely confirm they came from the same case)
2 Rebello Valente (same auction lot and look identical, but...)
2+ Croft (from a previously unopened OWC - quality can be corroborated by PhilW)

Tier 3
1 Royal Oporto (final bottle from an OWC purchased at Christie's many years ago).

Neil

[flash_uk]

For those who attended the 1970 horizontal in 2009, can you recall if the Messias was not actually Messias Cachão? This post seems to confirm that there was no 1970 Messias.

[jdaw1]

I have Kopke St Luiz and Gonzalez Byass, both from known good stock, with back-up bottles available.

[jdaw1]

For those who attended the 1970 horizontal in 2009, can you recall if the Messias was not actually Messias Cachão? This post seems to confirm that there was no 1970 Messias.

Yes, it was Cachão.

[flash_uk]

Yes, it was Cachão.

In which case I will amend the tasting note title. Will TN index updates cope with that?

[Alex Bridgeman]

I have a note from a tasting in 2011 that there is a Messias 1970. Most of the grapes for this wine came from Quinta do Cachão but the blend also included some old vine lotes which had been bought in from farmers who were long-standing suppliers of grapes and wine to Messias but with land outside Cachão and therefore the wine could not strictly be called Quinta do Cachão. My notes also suggest that only 500 cases (of 12 bottles) of the Messias blend were made that vintage - and my notes were based on a conversation with someone who I am entirely confident who knew what they were talking about in substantial detail.

[flash_uk]

I have a note from a tasting in 2011 that there is a Messias 1970. Most of the grapes for this wine came from Quinta do Cachão but the blend also included some old vine lotes which had been bought in from farmers who were long-standing suppliers of grapes and wine to Messias but with land outside Cachão and therefore the wine could not strictly be called Quinta do Cachão. My notes also suggest that only 500 cases (of 12 bottles) of the Messias blend were made that vintage - and my notes were based on a conversation with someone who I am entirely confident who knew what they were talking about in substantial detail.

Thanks you for this wonderful insight Alex. I think this means we will continue the hunt for a 1970 Messias, while the TN for the mentioned above still needs amendment.

[benread]

For those who attended the [url=viewtopic.php?p=21337#p21337]1970 horizontal in 2009.

On a related matter, I recall making an oath to myself never to knowing be in the vicinity of Hutchison 70 again!



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[flash_uk]

@JDAW, I'm now a bit confused. Above, you say that the bottle at the 30 Jan 2009 tasting was actually Cachão, linking to a picture of a Cachão bottle. But that picture comes from a separate bottle tasted in April 2009, where the tasting note laments that Cachão was missing from the 30 Jan 2009 tasting. Could you recheck?

[winesecretary]

Of same-case 1970s, I have only Gonzalez Byass. I could easily provide 2 plus a backup bottle.

[flash_uk]

Of same-case 1970s, I have only Gonzalez Byass. I could easily provide 2 plus a backup bottle.

Fantastic. Many thanks.

[idj123]

For the tier two Ports I can currently offer two bottles from the same stash for:

GB
CrR
Kr

[jdaw1]

@JDAW, I'm now a bit confused. Above, you say that the bottle at the 30 Jan 2009 tasting was actually Cachão, linking to a picture of a Cachão bottle. But that picture comes from a separate bottle tasted in April 2009, where the tasting note laments that Cachão was missing from the 30 Jan 2009 tasting. Could you recheck?

Re-checking, and I think you are correct.

More relevantly, I don’t recall.

[SCP-DFF]

The 1970 vintage is 50 years old this year. Birthday celebrations are required.

What: Tier 1 & 2 ports from 1970
When: Friday 9 October 2020
Where: The Ovens, The Boot & Flogger (Google maps).

Oh dear. And do you know who else's birthday it is on the 9th October? Yup. Yours truly. (I will be 21.)

Julian hasn't planned anything for me, so The Port Forum clan has beat him to it. Julian will be gracing you with his attendance to this one. And he will also be making it up to me bigtime.

You gentlemen better make a toast to me in addition to toasting the 1970 vintage.

[jdaw1]

You gentlemen better make a toast to me in addition to toasting the 1970 vintage.

But that toast was the whole purpose of the tasting, wasn’t it?

[SCP-DFF]

But that toast was the whole purpose of the tasting, wasn’t it?

Are you kidding me? How long have we been married to each other?

[DRT]

Yes, it was Cachão.

In which case I will amend the tasting note title. Will TN index updates cope with that?

Yes, it will update the next time I create the index.

[flash_uk]

Yes, it was Cachão.

In which case I will amend the tasting note title. Will TN index updates cope with that?

Yes, it will update the next time I create the index.

Good to know. Also noting that I won't make the amendment as subsequent posts suggest it was probably correct in the first place!

[DRT]

Yes, it was Cachão.

In which case I will amend the tasting note title. Will TN index updates cope with that?

Yes, it will update the next time I create the index.

Good to know. Also noting that I won't make the amendment as subsequent posts suggest it was probably correct in the first place!

The SQL script that creates the index only reads the title of the first post in each thread so that needs to be in the correct format.

[JB vintage]

We confirm (Sten, Stefan and Jörgen), as already noted in the attendance list. In addition I confirm that I have the following bottles from tire 1 and 2 and with at least 2 bottles available:
Offley Boa Vista
Cockburn
Dow
Fonseca
Gould Campbell
Graham
Noval, Q do
Ramos Pinto
Warre
Burmester
Butler, Nephew & Co
Gonzalez
Morgan

In addition, I have some brands with one bottle only, and some tire 3 bottles as stated in a separate thread. Sten and Stefan have additional bottles.

[Christopher]

CMAG and RGO reconfirmed

[flash_uk]

I can now confirm that the attendee list is confirmed and is updated in the top post. I am in the process of sorting out who is bringing what and should be able to confirm this before Easter.

[flash_uk]

I've now mostly finalised who should bring what to the tasting, indicated after the names in the top post.

I've tried to contact most people in advance about their contribution - if you are surprised/confused/have a query, drop me an email/PM.

A few points to note about logistics for the tasting:

- I am assuming everyone is having both lunch and dinner, please advise if you don't want lunch or dinner or both
- I will operate a money clearing system for the whole tasting, which means that I will work out the cost for each person for the port, lunch, dinner and tips, and will ask for payment up front. Some people are very generously contributing a hefty number of bottles and will be receiving cash rather than paying it!
- the bottles will be costed at £90 per bottle, with the exception of £120 per bottle for T, F, D, G, Ni, which are typically more expensive
- I will slightly overestimate the costs in case one or two folks need to drop out, and consequently I expect that there might be a small repayment of up to £30 per person once all of the actual costs are known and taken care of

[flash_uk]

Hello everyone. Probably self-evident, but our plans for the 1970 Mega Horizontal are on hold pending some more certainty about how we could conduct such an event in the current COVID times. I'll reactivate this thread in 2021 at a point when we have better news!

[/2alph]

Take me to the reserve please.

[akzy]

Rebooting from the virtual tasting conversation - please add me to the reserves!

[Justin K]

Just browsing Brightwell’s list for tomorrow and there is a lot with Serafim Cabrals VP 1970; anyone ever come across that name before? Not sure it’s going to be a Flight one wine

[hadge]

I haven't but there has been a few different and random 1970 that i have come across in the last year, which i have managed to get hold off.

just picked up a Dolamore 1970, which seems to be a own bottling.

[nac]

Just browsing Brightwell’s list for tomorrow and there is a lot with Serafim Cabrals VP 1970; anyone ever come across that name before? Not sure it’s going to be a Flight one wine

Became aware of this last year, as occasionally appears at auction. Tony has tried it / possibly has some and apparently it's not very good.

Unless it's going for not very much at all probably worth avoiding.

[nac]

Just browsing Brightwell’s list for tomorrow and there is a lot with Serafim Cabrals VP 1970; anyone ever come across that name before? Not sure it’s going to be a Flight one wine

Became aware of this last year, as occasionally appears at auction. Tony has tried it / possibly has some and apparently it's not very good.

Unless it's going for not very much at all probably worth avoiding.

More interesting though is the Cabral Serafim 1871 which some of us have / have tried. Had a bottle about a year ago and it was very good and showed well in some fairly exalted company. A later below low-shoulder bottle was also very drinkable.

[/2alph]

Put me on the reserve please

[PhilW]

just picked up a Dolamore 1970, which seems to be a own bottling.

As well as bottling for others, Dolamore have a few own-brand vintages of VP; I'm aware of '63, '66, '70, '75 (QH) and '77 (SW) but as you can see I don't know what was used for their '70, so would be interested to hear what the cork shows if/when you open that bottle.