Emergency, Tue 26 April 2022

Post by **jdaw1** » 16:37 Thu 01 Apr 2021

This post to hold plans as and when agreed.

Date: Tuesday 26th April 2022 (reserved on Tue 06 Apr 2021, and checked by phone on Thu 27 Jan 2022).

Theme: It was to be Poças, but that has been scrapped. Now an emergency: bring Port.

Where: The Red Room, Boot & Flogger.

Confirmed for emergency:

Current version of the placemats.

Post by **jdaw1** » 16:37 Thu 01 Apr 2021

This post to list bottles available.

Colheitas:
1. Colheita 1964 (GEAG, IDJ, TC);
2. Colheita 1967 (TC);
3. Colheita 1996 (TC);
4. Colheita 1997 (TC);
5. Colheita 2000 (RON, TC);
6. Colheita 2001 (TC);
7. Colheita 2003 (TC);
8. Colheita 2006-small (TC);
9. Colheita 2006-big (TC);
Vintages:
1. Vintage 1970 (THRA);
2. Vintage 1977 (CPR, IDJ, TC);
3. Vintage 1978 (TC);
4. Vintage 1985 (THRA, IDJ);
5. Vintage 1996 (TC);
6. Vintage 2000 (IDJ);
7. Vintage 2003 (TC);
8. Vintage 2009 (CPR);
9. Vintage 2011 (GEAG);
10. Vintage 2017 (RON).

On Poças website:

Tawny:
Colheita:
- 1992
Vintage:
- 2011
- 2013
- 2015
LBV:
- 2009
- 2010
- 2011
- 2012

Post by **jdaw1** » 16:37 Thu 01 Apr 2021

We’ve never properly tasted the wines of Poças, a house best known for its wood-aged Ports, but which also makes VP and LBV. I have tasted too few of all categories.

It is envisaged — so not a firm plan — that we will start with a flight of wood-aged, tawnies or colheitas or both. Then with and after food we will concentrate on the bottle-aged, VPs and LBVs.

Likely as not, many of the bottles will come from or via Tony C. of Vintage Wine & Port, for which thanks. But others with gems are encouraged to reveal them here.

Post by **Alex Bridgeman** » 16:38 Thu 01 Apr 2021

Yes please.

rich_n · Post by **rich_n** » 16:39 Thu 01 Apr 2021

Yes please, I rather like the wines I've tried of theirs.

<edit> I have the 1997 Colheita that George found underwhelming during yesterday's virtual gathering, as well as the 2017 VP.

CPR 1 · Post by **CPR 1** » 16:47 Thu 01 Apr 2021

Yes please

Doggett · Post by **Doggett** » 16:48 Thu 01 Apr 2021

Yes please

uncle tom · Post by **uncle tom** » 17:01 Thu 01 Apr 2021

Count me in..

Post by **flash_uk** » 17:02 Thu 01 Apr 2021

yes please!

Post by **PhilW** » 17:08 Thu 01 Apr 2021

Yes please.

winesecretary · Post by **winesecretary** » 17:18 Thu 01 Apr 2021

Yes please

akzy · Post by **akzy** » 17:43 Thu 01 Apr 2021

Yes please.

MigSU · Post by **MigSU** » 18:03 Thu 01 Apr 2021

I was wondering why João Geirinhas would be participating in this event. Seemed odd.

Post by **jdaw1** » 18:03 Thu 01 Apr 2021

MigSU wrote: ↑18:03 Thu 01 Apr 2021I was wondering why João Geirinhas would be participating in this event. Seemed odd.

My error. Corrected, about an hour ago.

MigSU · Post by **MigSU** » 18:11 Thu 01 Apr 2021

jdaw1 wrote: ↑18:03 Thu 01 Apr 2021
MigSU wrote: ↑18:03 Thu 01 Apr 2021I was wondering why João Geirinhas would be participating in this event. Seemed odd.
My error. Corrected, about an hour ago.

Yes, I saw the correction.

CPR 1 · Post by **CPR 1** » 18:33 Thu 01 Apr 2021

jdaw1 wrote: ↑16:37 Thu 01 Apr 2021 But others with gems are encouraged to reveal them here.

I can offer 1977 and 2009

Post by **jdaw1** » 18:37 Thu 01 Apr 2021

CPR 1 wrote: ↑18:33 Thu 01 Apr 2021I can offer 1977 and 2009

VP or colheita?

CPR 1 · Post by **CPR 1** » 18:44 Thu 01 Apr 2021

jdaw1 wrote: ↑18:37 Thu 01 Apr 2021
CPR 1 wrote: ↑18:33 Thu 01 Apr 2021I can offer 1977 and 2009
VP or colheita?

Both are VP - The 77 is Poças Junior

winesecretary · Post by **winesecretary** » 20:25 Thu 01 Apr 2021

@ rich_n I was drinking the 2000 Colheita yesterday, not the 1997 Colheita. It was indeed underwhelming.

I have the 1964 Colheita and the 2011 VP which I could offer up for this tasting. I have higher hopes of both.

Glenn E. · Post by **Glenn E.** » 20:29 Thu 01 Apr 2021

The 1964 Poças Colheita is one of the best of the vintage. I think I slightly prefer the 1964 Noval Colheita, but I can't think of any others that I'd rate over the Poças. It's a great Colheita from a pretty mediocre (at best) year.

winesecretary · Post by **winesecretary** » 20:33 Thu 01 Apr 2021

@ Glenn E. - Thank you, you have heightened my higher hopes. I've never had it, it was just a wandering-round-the-internet-one-weekend-ooh-that-looks-an-interesting-bottle purchase.

rich_n · Post by **rich_n** » 22:17 Thu 01 Apr 2021

winesecretary wrote:@ rich_n I was drinking the 2000 Colheita yesterday, not the 1997 Colheita. It was indeed underwhelming.

I have the 1964 Colheita and the 2011 VP which I could offer up for this tasting. I have higher hopes of both.

You are indeed correct, I was drinking the '97 but I shall blame lockdown-brain for not being able to remember that detail.

Julian, this means I have the 2000 Colheita, not the '97.

uncle tom · Post by **uncle tom** » 04:20 Fri 02 Apr 2021

I don't have many Pocas, but I can offer 1970 and 1985 VPs

idj123 · Post by **idj123** » 06:45 Fri 02 Apr 2021

Hopefully not too late but yes please! I have the 64 colheita (which I agree with Glenn is great and knocked the Taylor 64 into a cocked hat when last tasted side by side-when Glenn was present I think). Also have the 77, 85 and 2000 VPs.

Post by **jdaw1** » 09:22 Fri 02 Apr 2021

idj123 wrote: ↑06:45 Fri 02 Apr 2021Hopefully not too late but yes please!

You are the thirteenth. One seat remains.

CPR 1 wrote: ↑18:33 Thu 01 Apr 2021I can offer 1977 and 2009

CPR 1 wrote: ↑18:44 Thu 01 Apr 2021Both are VP - The 77 is Poças Junior

winesecretary wrote: ↑20:25 Thu 01 Apr 2021I have the 1964 Colheita and the 2011 VP which I could offer up for this tasting.

rich_n wrote: ↑16:39 Thu 01 Apr 2021I have … the 2017 VP.

rich_n wrote: ↑22:17 Thu 01 Apr 2021I have the 2000 Colheita

uncle tom wrote: ↑04:20 Fri 02 Apr 2021I can offer 1970 and 1985 VPs

idj123 wrote: ↑06:45 Fri 02 Apr 2021I have the 64 colheita … the 77, 85 and 2000 VPs.

Which have been listed in the second post.

Post by **jdaw1** » 09:40 Fri 02 Apr 2021

CPR 1 wrote: ↑18:44 Thu 01 Apr 2021The 77 is Poças Junior

Is there a difference? Is Poças merely a shortened name for Poças Junior, or are they different?

winesecretary · Post by **winesecretary** » 10:05 Fri 02 Apr 2021

Idle perusal of vintageport.se tells me this was a business founded by Manoel D. Poças Junior in 1918 (that explains the '100 years' cork on the 2000 colheita botled in 2018, I was wondering) and now called Manoel D. Poças Junior Vinhos SA. I infer that Poças Junior and Poças are the same wine, the Junior possibly having been dropped as unhelpful in English-speaking markets as suggesting second-tier status.

hadge · Post by **hadge** » 10:39 Fri 02 Apr 2021

if not to late, please can i be added to the list?

Post by **jdaw1** » 11:59 Fri 02 Apr 2021

hadge wrote: ↑10:39 Fri 02 Apr 2021if not to late, please can i be added to the list?

You are the fourteenth. Hence now full; further acceptances will be waitlisted.

Post by **jdaw1** » 12:00 Fri 02 Apr 2021

winesecretary wrote: ↑10:05 Fri 02 Apr 2021Idle perusal of vintageport.se tells me this was a business founded by Manoel D. Poças Junior in 1918 (that explains the '100 years' cork on the 2000 colheita botled in 2018, I was wondering) and now called Manoel D. Poças Junior Vinhos SA. I infer that Poças Junior and Poças are the same wine, the Junior possibly having been dropped as unhelpful in English-speaking markets as suggesting second-tier status.

I agree with the facts, but am less certain of the inference.

forest26 · Post by **forest26** » 12:10 Fri 02 Apr 2021

I will liaise with Joao and see if we can source some older VP bottles or fill the gap in the colhietas between 60's and 90's

I have
Colheita - 64, 67, 96, 97, 00, 01, 03...
VP 77, 78, 96, 03...

We do need to taste the Quinado

Also they have a 2006 colheita aged in barrel (small cask) and one aged in a “balseiro” (big cask).

Post by **jdaw1** » 12:17 Fri 02 Apr 2021

Thank you. Added to the second post. So far we have nine colheitas, ten VPs, zero LBVs, and might be able to obtain one Quinado.

Post by **PhilW** » 12:18 Fri 02 Apr 2021

jdaw1 wrote: ↑12:00 Fri 02 Apr 2021
winesecretary wrote: ↑10:05 Fri 02 Apr 2021Idle perusal of vintageport.se tells me this was a business founded by Manoel D. Poças Junior in 1918 (that explains the '100 years' cork on the 2000 colheita botled in 2018, I was wondering) and now called Manoel D. Poças Junior Vinhos SA. I infer that Poças Junior and Poças are the same wine, the Junior possibly having been dropped as unhelpful in English-speaking markets as suggesting second-tier status.
I agree with the facts, but am less certain of the inference.

From the VPID images, I see all vintages branded as "Pocas Junior" up to 1978, and from 1982 the labels all show the brand as "Pocas" (still Pocas Junior as the producer in smaller script).

Post by **jdaw1** » 15:31 Fri 02 Apr 2021

George, Phil: I think that answers the question. ‘Junior’ seemed, well, junior, so was de-emphasised circa 1980.

Post by **jdaw1** » 19:20 Fri 02 Apr 2021

Let’s guess that we will have access to the Ports we have, plus those for which the website has data sheets. That would be 10 × colheita + 4 × tawny with indication of age + 12 × VP + 4 × LBV.

Perhaps I’m older than formerly, but thirty in one session starts to be non-trivial consumption.

Tawnies and colheitas remain good in bottle for a while. So what about a 16:30 start, with small pours of the wood-aged, not necessarily finishing them. Then the evening session can be the 16 bottled-aged, VPs + LBVs.

Might this be a good plan?

winesecretary · Post by **winesecretary** » 20:47 Fri 02 Apr 2021

This is starting to look like two tastings, perhaps one of tawny and VP, perhaps the other of LBV and colheita?

Post by **Alex Bridgeman** » 06:57 Sat 03 Apr 2021

I can confirm that Poças Junior and Poças wines come from the same producer. Poças is simply the modern choice of brand; Poças Junior having been retired a few years ago.

nac · Post by **nac** » 10:56 Sat 03 Apr 2021

Waiting list please.

Post by **jdaw1** » 19:38 Wed 26 Jan 2022

Three months until the scheduled tasting date. And 298 days, almost 10 months, since the most recent post.

winesecretary · Post by **winesecretary** » 22:32 Wed 26 Jan 2022

I would still like to attend. I still have the 1964 Colheita and the 2011 vintage.

Post by **flash_uk** » 23:00 Wed 26 Jan 2022

I have the 2011 only.

rich_n · Post by **rich_n** » 23:12 Wed 26 Jan 2022

I would like to reconfirm, still with the same bottles available.

nac · Post by **nac** » 23:53 Wed 26 Jan 2022

Still available should I make it off the bench.
Still have no appropriate bottles.

Doggett · Post by **Doggett** » 06:38 Thu 27 Jan 2022

Reconfirming please

hadge · Post by **hadge** » 08:35 Thu 27 Jan 2022

Reconfirming please

akzy · Post by **akzy** » 08:41 Thu 27 Jan 2022

Reconfirming. No bottles I'm afraid.

Post by **Alex Bridgeman** » 19:40 Thu 27 Jan 2022

I confirm my interest.

uncle tom · Post by **uncle tom** » 17:39 Sun 06 Feb 2022

Reconfirming - have some wines, but not many

idj123 · Post by **idj123** » 18:19 Sun 06 Feb 2022

Reconfirming.

CPR 1 · Post by **CPR 1** » 12:33 Mon 07 Feb 2022

re confirming